Oaksterdam University is on Clubhouse every Thursday at 2:20 p.m. PT to discuss Mentorship for Equity Cannabis Business Success. Here is a transcript of the room on Sept. 3, 2021, attended by Jeff Jones @plantalchemist, Dale Sky Jones, Eric Brandstad, Sara Frank, Flav, Ali Muffinz, Nehemiah, Chase, Susie, Connor, Sun and Kelly.
Keywords: plants, question, tissue culture, people, water, flower, plant, cannabis, week, clones, grow, extraction, eric, ptr, hypochlorous acid, filter, leaves, spray, kills, hydrogen peroxide
Dale Sky Jones 01:26
Welcome to “Plant Talk” with Oaksterdam University experts! So Mr. Jones, our indoor expert Mr Branstad, our outdoor expert, Miss Frank, our marketing experts, and our guest experts Connor Good to see you, Sun. Always a pleasure. Ali Muffinz is an ever-present co-moderator and community builder, really good to always have you here. Thank you for joining. Because we are here for plant talk, after all, all things green, great, and small, you can talk about your commercial grow or the little plant in your closet. Any questions all questions are welcome, and I especially love it when you try to stump my experts, so please do raise your hand if you have a question, it’s all welcome. I’m also trying something new today, we are recording for transcript. So I’m not actually recording your voices to replay them, we are trying to capture the knowledge that happens in this room to see if we can make it searchable when we’re done. So, I’m just experimenting, I’m talking to you through my computer, hopefully, the audio doesn’t suck. All of this is new to me. And, yeah, just like everyone we are trying new things and seeing what works and trying to share the knowledge in more ways for more people. So that’s what I’m up to. Oh, Flav so good to have you back, inviting you up. And with that anything exciting going on that we need to know about right away, should we jump into questions Jeff did you get any intense questions in the lab today with our Oaksterdam students let’s start there.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 03:27
I didn’t get super intense questions we went over a few in-class gardens with Show and Tell about where their experiences at what was happening with the things that they were working on. Gosh had been pelted by questions through phone and text over the last week with just small little things that have come up in people’s garden some that are starting seeds and are trying to do so in deep water culture and having a little bit different reactions than they thought, and others that are just looking for a little bit of advice, because their outdoor gardens are just starting to flower and what they might do here in California are dealing with lots of smoke and fire issues as Eric knows all too well with the stuff that he’s dealing with his neck of the woods. And I think most students are just eager to begin with, they’re doing a lot of them are just getting started in their process that haven’t really grown before, some that have, I think are lending to other students getting more enthusiastic about it which is what we hope the audience here, and those onstage continue to do for the plant is moving forward.
Dale Sky Jones 04:30
Right on. Thank you, Jeff. Well, let’s go to Eric you’ve got anything in particular on your mind or shall we go to questions, comments? There are a few different things that have popped up in our room lately that really are global problems, whether you’re a commercial grower or just to, you know, grow your own farmer subsistence farmer so if there’s something in particular from last week or one of your other rooms, and if you don’t have anything burning we can always go to Sun or Ali.
Connor 05:46
I don’t have any, anything to really John Gray was speaking a little bit to this in the previous room, dealing with the fires out there in the smoke. Even just speaking to, you know, doing as much as they can to, You know, try to get the shot and shake it off and wash it off at the end of harvesting, you know, being able to dunk those plants into three different bucket systems, if you look it up, they have many video videos about washing and essentially you’re ducking the plants into three different buckets of water on the final bucket being just clean water. And essentially, washing the butts in the entire plant off before you dry and cure. And that is very effective to clean your product. When you’re dealing with situations like smoke and fire.
Ali Muffinz 06:48
Thanks for bringing that up, bro. On the west coast. From down and in Cali, all the way up to our neck of the woods in Vancouver. This is now a year and the problem, and we now have a thing called fire season. I know Montana has a thing called fire season. Eric did a pretty cool demo the other week, bro. with the kangen water on your Instagram feed, Eric,
Eric Brandstad 07:15
I thought that was pretty cool. And actually had a question for you too. But go ahead and explain that process if you will. Oh sure, I learned it from the fires last summer from a friend of mine that’s in the evacuation wasn’t evacuations on at the time because there’s a lot of talk about how to deal with the ash, you know, shaking it off using a leaf blower, some people say the leaf blower drives a little bit deeper, other people will say that they use just plain water and then there’s also yeah the dunking method and some of those involve using hydrogen peroxide and some things that could be a little bit of a turd burglar in some cases, but it’s better than having the Cannabis smell like actual smoke which a lot of entries to the Emerald Cup last year smelled like a smoked, you know like this, smelled like they were in a fire I mean you basically opened the sample and went, Oh wow, this was, you know, heavily inundated with smoke and. And so for us, what we did last year is using the kangen water and so, you know, the two particular waters that are created from the salt solution is the 2.5 hypochlorous acid and the 11.5 sodium hydroxide so rotating those two sprays at a minimum three times a week, avoided us from having to do the dunk if you didn’t do the sprays, then you would probably want to do the dog but there was no need to do the dunk because we keep the plants clean that way and so I didn’t have the same amount of ash but I was doing a little demonstration on my Instagram and I do spray my plants, quite often, in general, not just for smoke for mold and bug prevention as well. And, and so basically I thought I’d do a little video because we were kind of socked in the in the in the smoke that day but he’s also the Harry that I learned it from last year is also an extractor so he does ice water hash, and live rosin and ethanol extractions and things like that and so he was incredibly impressed with how well intact and clean and no smell was associated to the, to those particular plants even though you know the neighbors saw a significant loss because of the smoke damage to their plants. So while dunking does work, you know, using this water to spray, even all the way through flowering Some people even go wow you spray you know late flowering and things like that and yeah we do, and also people would also, you know, worry about the humidity or things like that and so we actually have people that are doing their greenhouses in the evening time and sealing them up and actually spraying the 2.5 hypochlorous acid and I have a guy in Oregon when you walk into his greenhouse it almost smells like you’re walking into a pool area. And, you know, at first you might think that that’s not the best smell but when you walk into these big greenhouses, sometimes you smell all kinds of things and so bad smelling almost like a pool because the hypochlorous acid smells like bleach or chlorine. You know his entire facility is disinfected, like no other and his mold and prevention and all those things have increased and so, yeah, the water has just been exciting, and learning more things about it even this week.
Ali Muffinz 10:45
Thank you. That was dope, Eric, thank you for explaining that. Now, our stage is kind of full. I want to make sure we get to questions, they’ll pop up should it pass it back to you. So I’m sure, London and, and the rest of the gang have questions so I want to get to those two but if you don’t have a question I can move forward, or if you have one you can ask a lot, I’m always, you know, always have something to ask to talk about because like I told the ones who’s closest to me like Flav and you Ali, I know that I’m still fresh in the industry and learning alive man so a lot of times I’ll be sitting here so good man, but I have a big brain so I try to join as many conversations about the cat you know so I can ask questions but most recently man I ran into a mode issue I’m pretty sure like, oh my seedlings like right down the middle of the leaf where that line is there was like a wipe or something. And so I started off using neem oil it didn’t really, I don’t know if I was using enough are not really doing anything so I had a friend who’s he’s actually, you know, been gone for a while, and he gave me this humble it’s. What is it is called “Humboldt Secret Flower Shield” and I don’t know if anyone’s heard of it but man I just spray, I’ve mixed it you know did the proper mixing sprayed in and that she was going overnight grow so I mean that’s, you know, pretty interesting story. But he says I was like I said I don’t know if y’all heard of it, it says insect Insecticide, Fungicide miticide kills mites kill eggs kills aphids kills whiteflies, kills powdery mildew, kills gnats, thrips. Well, Jeff, do you have a comment on that, I probably have you guys ever used it, and then I’m going to move to London, so, so we can get the question. I don’t know if I’ve heard that one. Could you, could you say it one more time, just caught a “Humboldt Secret Flower Shield” it’s like it has a yellow label man in the middle it says flowers shielded me gave me his word man he seemed pretty sure about what it was going to do and it did the job man and like not even two days actually. So, I just wanted to share that, you know, that’s all I could think of right now but yeah
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 14:43
I appreciate that thank you.
Ali Muffinz 14:45
Thank you. Let me get to London and welcome him to the Oaksterdam Cannabis Education, Plant Talk with Oaksterdam, London, the mic is yours brother.
Connor 15:06
It’s great to see her I wanted to jump up and say hi I just had a baby, three weeks ago so I haven’t been around each and every Friday like I usually have. Thanks, guys, I appreciate it. She was like born a little bit early but mom’s a champ. It’s been a great freaking a few weeks and I’m finally settling back into routine in life so I’ll be here, and you’ll see me tweak I’m excited for it. I do have – Ali – you kind of jumped on a question that I was excited about asking the guys as well which is great anyways was the washing it was bud washing, and I, and that’s watching your plans beforehand. And I was wondering if, if the panel could give us a little bit I know you Eric You mentioned you were using Kangen water. Does anybody else like what, what’s your thoughts and opinions on that I believe it’s it’s a great and I think as an industry, commercially it’s going to be a very regular, regular thing but I just, I would love to get the panel’s opinion on on this specific subject if possible I mean if I get a little bit more
Eric Brandstad 16:18
Well, you want my opinion on one specific topic,
Connor 16:27
Like, specifically bud washing that when seen or. Oh yeah. I have a few people, mainly the concern is been the change in the trichomes and the development like kind of what that happens especially for, you know, no extracts and the effect that it has on the plant like did you look at the choice under microscope like what were your, your thoughts.
Eric Brandstad 16:52
Yeah, no, we looked at things under the microscope and did extractions, you know, the ice water extractions and you know it was measuring yields and things like that so we found that there was no degradation or problems or, you know less than the yield or anything like that when we were using, you know, from, from continuous spraying. You know, when we did other dogs and other practices, you know, a lot of farms are also scared of Aspergillus and so you know that that’s something that you don’t see, usually as a post harvest type of situation but people will spray their plants at harvest just to prevent a type of Aspergillus sprain, some farms even use zero tone so that’s really where we’re at is that there’s different sprays and different dunking or washing techniques that are being used and which one is the safest or which one does the least of degradation, which one doesn’t destroy the Terps which one doesn’t cause the flower to turn brown sooner than later because that also was something that we see with a lot of people over the course of the years and doing dunks, is that you know the Cannabis is actually dries fine and cures and smokes well but within, you know, four weeks or something like that and all of a sudden starts to turn color, you know that oxidizing color sooner than it would if it wasn’t done. And so that’s one of the things that I’ve been noticing with the whole dunking thing is, is, is the discoloration after a few weeks or even up to a month that, that occurs and so that part’s kind of interesting, but it also might come down to the curing aspect as well I mean, you know, some people will shake them off really well and then bring them into a room to dry and slow and low but, you know, that’s, that’s another trick too is that you’re introducing a room full of, you know, Cannabis that normally would be wet because of its you know freshness, but now it’s an extra wet because we’ve dunked it as well. And so I think it gets a little tricky for people when it comes to the drying and the curing because of the additional fans and D hues and when to be able to cut that stuff off or cut it back in time. But there’s a lot of recipes for dunking out there and I don’t know which one’s the best, unfortunately.
Dale Sky Jones 19:13
So, did you want to say anything about dunking? I’d like to open it up to the other experts on the stage before we go to the next question because I know this is a hot topic and maybe how I throw a wrench is to talk about maybe extractions instead, you know in California. These things can fail your test. And if you fail a test, it’s a lot harder, like most people feel they need to then destroy the entire batch, which isn’t actually the case but it’s it’s often what’s believed the pathway for mitigation is, is fuzzy at best, and even the regulator’s don’t really understand it. So, do we want to talk about maybe ways that you can salvage your crop for sale, but maybe not the flower part, maybe just the beneficial components?
Eric Brandstad 20:15
For sure, I mean, I used to do procurement temporarily for a distribution company that was getting going and their main thing was to get biomass for making oil. And so, you know, when you’re doing ethanol wash and butane extraction. A lot of times compromised Cannabis, you know washes Well, there used to be signs on the side of the 101 going in and out of Humboldt that said mold to gold. and I know some people on this room last week were like no don’t concentrate this so that because it concentrates it when in fact it’s usually the heavy metals and the in the contaminants that are concentrated Where’s things like bugs and bug poop or exco skeletons and even mold for that matter, don’t actually come through in the concentrates when it comes to ethanol or butane. And so, you know, to your point, Dale is that yes, it is worth something, and that’s the deal is that people have to really decide what they can do with their Cannabis based on what it’s going to look like and so let’s dunking in the possible possibility of discoloring. Knowing that the price is where it is right now for Cannabis in the legal market for California is extremely nerve racking and if you don’t have triple a triple A Cannabis, regardless of where it’s grown. It’s a tough market right now it’s not a seller’s market it’s a buyers market and so, you know, last year, stuff, stuff that might be not quite triple A or might even be just be grade is definitely getting a lower quality and so with the question be okay does is it gonna pay better to send it to extraction and maybe you’ll get paid there and the tough part about that is that extractors are all paying cod right now either. And so the farmers are kind of left in this quagmire of how do I get paid basically no matter what choice I make. And I think that’s the toughest part is is the market isn’t solid and not everybody has solid contacts and vendors and not everybody’s going AAA and so yeah that’s where it starts to get into the scary part I guess.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 22:23
And I would just chime in ERIC could I agree with that I didn’t want to elaborate on it too much because I’m not trying to be an argument over somebody’s position personally, it may not be safe in a flower form but there’s definitely remediation techniques even to remove biobutanol and other contaminants, but that’s mostly in the oil and the post is still in product process. But I do feel that some of this washing and techniques can lower the count and I think we also are investigating, especially with extractors treatment of UVC light to limit pathogens. And if you want to drill down the complete, you know, nuts and bolts on it you can go gamma irradiated. And that’s what early labs were doing when they were giving out medical Cannabis to patients because they knew that it was mold-based and there are all these Aspergillus fears. And I don’t believe anybody in the industry is currently really doing that, that is widespread, although there may be some that are trying to do it in the marketplace, manufacturing to guarantee their products are clean.
Eric Brandstad 23:21
There are some states microwave and are doing some shit where they throw it through something and actually get what it does but I know you know the UV light also is popular in some states in Nevada, a lot of people have to you’ve either should or won’t pass.
Connor 23:36
This is what I, my, my direction thought is if I’m going to use a lot of beneficial pests and insects like I’m going to use a lot of my time we use all these controls to make sure that I don’t have to spray, don’t have to put all these chemicals on and then use a light wash of hydrogen peroxide and water afterwards. We’re just ensuring that we’ve removed and be very dope but with a plant, we’re just ensuring that we remove like exoskeleton scat excrement and preventing degradation of those things and mold spores producing through those specific avenues. I’ve never heard of chemicals being going on but I was more specifically like maybe hydrogen peroxide and water and or maybe a dip of like citric acid and baking soda type of formula not chemical processing.
Eric Brandstad 24:27
Let me ask you this though, sorry to interrupt you, if you’re just trying to really get off dust and exoskeletons and things like that, then why use anything but water.
Connor 24:39
Well I mean Hydrogen peroxide is the safest most things that it will it will ensure that if there is any bacteria left behind that it is now, you know, no longer active and able to go on when you’re going to permeate the plant so deeply with water. Getting that water out like you mentioned, is challenging can make the draining dream process less safe and less efficient so by adding in this step of hydrogen peroxide water at very low I’m talking like 3% Hydrogen Peroxide at one to five parts. Doing that step and initially killing or killing off any bacteria that is surface on the plant, deep within it will ensure that when you drive a product and if there is any moisture left behind during the different process that bacteria will have the ideal environment to grow. That’s the theory behind. Anyways, in the process of using that specific product because if you just take plain water, even if it’s, if there’s bacteria there now we’ve created a perfect habitat for this basis basically is like a praying mantis is that I also use in like I use frame mantises rover beetles I have a huge population that moves through my tent as an amazing beneficial for preventing bugs but you know like, they die and so I don’t really like want to smoke that but I also want to keep everything as organic as possible. So my thought was to use hydrogen peroxide is as when your peroxide breaks down, it’s just a release of the oxygen molecule right it just, It just water after it breaks down, biological components. Yeah, seems reasonable to me I was just asking.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 26:13
Yeah, I agree with you, London that that’s a good technique and add peroxide was the first pass of really getting rid of the bacteria and then also as a passing control and Eric from an expert in the hydrochloric acid which is the 2.5 water and I’ve been surprised how much suppression level that has for pathogens on its own, just the straight water and it evaporates, nothing with no residue. It’s still keep things moist. It’s the same wet issue that we have with playing around the peroxide water. I hadn’t seen it being is good with bug control, it does have some mild effects but, I mean, put it free in it, no result compared to bleach. It just doesn’t have a killing factor to it. The 11.5 water is great in a mixture and it seems to have some stopping powers and bugs I’ve used it on aphid outbreaks and things like that back and forth, but I’m a fan of trying to see if you’re taking a path of being organic trying to stay within that realm, but I’m also got so many people that are conventional gardeners talking to me I’m trying to give them the least resistant and less problematic path of just running things and throwing it away and then doing it all over again, I’m having a bad outcome. The deployed techniques for trying to salvage things on the extraction side is talked about, not as much like cold, washing, and just getting the residue rinsed off as much as extracting it in the lab and rinsing it, and sometimes even taking it in and chemically cleaning it, and getting rid of anything that might be a heavy metal residue or something. It’s less. It’s less agile, and it’s not something I see done regularly because it’s at a cost.
Dale Sky Jones 27:42
All right on. Thank you. Well, let’s go to the audience for some more questions, and I’m going to assume, but please flash if I’m wrong, Sun if you had a question, or London if I missed your question, otherwise we can go to Chase – Susie, it’s really great to see you again Kelly, Good to see you again. Hi there, Nate. Let’s start with you chase.
Chase 28:18
Yeah. Anyways, I was going to also talk about using a parasitic acid in conjunction with your hydrogen peroxide, because in a way, enhance the removal of organic material and that will leave no residue. And it will also even act as a sporicidal, even at pretty low temperatures. So I know that I’ve used hydroxide, But I know that there’s even drawbacks to to using that in either a production setting or a home cultivation setting most of the settings that I’m referring to the stuff that we’ve done in commercial settings, and also what we’re allowed to play with, you know, within the state that we’re operating that. So, what my question was, was in regards to micro publication, and why the Cannabis industry is not really using the gold standard for ag that’s, you know, very apparent, and the rest of AG is only, you know Cannabis the micropropagation isn’t just just the norm. So I was wanting to know what you guys thoughts were in the rows of that.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 29:31
I would just say we’re new and emerging and we haven’t been able to invest in that type of tech because it’s laboratory based and the DEA would take down all of those things and local powers would be. I do know people that are researching it. I know that microphone guy bill that’s doing a lot around the country publicizing the option, and how easy it is to get a boat. I think it’s relatively difficult for parietal control, because every variety is a little different for their micropropagation technique, talking with the guys that dark heart to kind of started doing this a few years back, they found one variety was very easy with one type of ag or mixed up, and they go to do another one, and they’d have to change the circumstance that it wasn’t like an across the board. So I just believe that it’s an emerging field and as a note that’s going to be something that we have to look at as a way to score, our genetics. Thank you.
Dale Sky Jones 30:30
Right on. Thank you, good, good topics there, Susie what’s on your mind today.
Eric Brandstad 30:38
I was trying to find a picture and PTR I was kinda wanted to chime in but one of the things I’ve noticed with tissue culture is that it does. They come so small, they’re tiny tiny plants and, and so some of the information I get from the tissue culture companies on how to grow them once they deliver them to the farm is also inconsistent. And one of the things that I’ve found is that you know some of them will say to take this tiny you know I mean it’s, it, they send you ice cube trays with plants and I mean they’re literally tiny little plants and so, you know, one asked one, one person says to take, you know platinum directly into a two-gallon to go within those take base, and other people say to put them into a four-inch pot and then we found to put them into actually 90 cell, you know cloning tray with a little cocoa at the bottom so that they can actually grow into those and turn into the normal-sized clones and then once they were normal sized clones we could actually start to put those into, you know, four inches or the next step, basically. And so we found at the farm that you know a lot of people say that they grow with all this crazy vigor and really go off and maybe that’s the case for some or others or whatever, I don’t know but these just took a while to take off and then when they did, they all took off at different times and so the canopy was completely uneven, right out of the gate and so, you know like just said it’s so new and there’s so many new things to it not just making the plan, making it so that the farm can be successful with the orders that they get is really, you know, the key to success here. And, you know, and tissue culture isn’t the only, you know, the only way, or is isn’t the full proof way to get rid of the half late bioroid because we’ve gotten plenty of tissue culture plants that still had the viral load and so it’s just still too new, like Jeff said, I think, and that’s where we’re at.
Sun 32:38
I’m 100% with you there Eric, Sun here. The other thing is just because Big Ag is doing it, doesn’t mean that it has. I mean, look what they produce, and in, with regards to vegetable trends. But, but I would agree with that. And on top of that you know the seeds are really where you want to be. Anyway, how to actually get the full genetic expression when you’re doing either cloning or certainly – and then on top of that the genetic drift that you get after a while is another issue I think. So both of those.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 33:44
I just chime in for a moment it’s just coming back. I’ve talked to an Israeli is involved with a tissue culturing facility that did most of his production for cut flower industry internationally, and they were buy at their seasonal time, the stock that they need, and once they got here to how they regrow it out, as Eric was noting there’s some little bit of differences. They would just go to work and what they would get for the season and grow it out like they would start seeds, some of the folks I’ve talked to in the Cannabis industry that used that same tissue culture concept using it to start their cloning moms or their cut moms, and not necessarily production and running it out into the flowering room right away. So they put it into their standard lot and then they’re running those moms for six to 10 months, killing them and not really letting them back into production for every tissue culturing out of so that they get the clean stuff from the clone tissue culture and bank so to say every six to 10 months to replicate their mother.
Chase 34:43
I do recommend for anyone that does not have capabilities of micropropagation though, to really try to eliminate having an extended mother in time, you would sense, six to 10 months and you know, for me that’s longer than the, the average life cycle of the plant so for me I like to see the plants being swapped out as far as my mother every two months in a situation where I’m not able to have micropropagation, but also at the same time, I think that it boils down to those tissue cultures, infrastructure and their ability to be able to essentially harden off those plans where they’re kind of put into like a nursery type setting, so they can acclimate and grow to their space so that way when you get a face is currently speaking.
Eric Brandstad 35:35
Beside your standard clone, and you seem to have a little bit more success with that. But at the same time I also look at it from the standpoint that since you can take such a small piece of the plant that once you get your numbers up, that you can actually grow your plant inventory, exponentially faster than what you could through standard propagation methods. Yeah, I think it comes down to space also I mean that’s the thing with any nursery is just having space and so if you PTR you can see in the picture I’m holding in my hand, a tray of of tissue culture clones and what the business model is descending these things small so that they can ship around. Enormous amount with just a small van basically. And then the idea is that what they do is there’s two layers of plastic that goes over the top and non-breathable on a breathable and so basically when you get shipped the clones, the non breathable piece of plastic has been torn off and then they’re just sealed in these breathable plastic over the top. And so in a sense that’s kind of their hardening off or next step and so when you receive the clones, then we actually pull the cover off and then take them and transplant them into something else and so you know that’s kind of the hang-up is that yeah, it’d be in a perfect world yeah the nurseries would be great or the tissue culture if they would have them, you know, hardened off transplanted even canopy or a bigger size or whatever but you’re basically getting them from this container that’s been sealed up for, I don’t know how long, and this is the first time they’re, you know, emerging out of that, that cell. And so, you know, a lot of nurseries are doing things different, I can’t speak to all of them but some of them do claim you know tissue culture moms, and so your cuts are coming from tissue culture rather than being actual tissue culture clones and things like that and so, you know, the price is also what dictates or is a reason for people to be attracted to some of these things as well because I think tissue culture nurseries are trying to sell these for five bucks. And typical clones might be six, seven, and even eight in some cases depending on the company and the cultivator are on whether the mom was tissue culture or not, but it’s, there’s no standard out there that’s
Connor 38:01
the good old DV system is that from conception?
Eric Brandstad 38:06
Ah, I didn’t say anything.
Dale Sky Jones 38:11
Obviously, now you can’t go play in like that and then not tell us what you’re talking about.
Eric Brandstad 38:16
There’s. Yes, I’ve played with a few and this particular one is a conception tray, you’re very sharp Connor.
Connor 38:27
Thanks sir. Yeah, there’s a lot of different models that I’m witnessing between these different labs. Some of them are offering plants in stage three. So there’s several stages to the micropropagation process. Stage one is initiation bringing it into culture two is multiplying it three is rooting for is acclimation that’s four is really what we’ve been talking about, but some of them will offer in stage three, some of them kind of almost refer to it as like three and a half kind of what Eric’s got where they take the shoot, tips, and then they play some of the systems, basically, humidity tones with the perforated film, and they just gradually harden off and just like you said they peel layers back. And that’s, that seems to be a good system and then some just straight apart them off like in a greenhouse. Typical. And a lot of new stone systems, I’m curious to see who’s using foggers and whatnot, have you seen that about her.
Eric Brandstad 39:28
Yeah, no I have but I can’t say who’s, how often they’re being used because there’s people that will use them at certain times. And, you know, the type of fog is also what’s in question so people look at it. Mister, this is kind of call that a fog or when in fact it’s a mist and not a fog so I believe in some of these really hot climates that we’ve been talking about that the fogger or the Mr. Even the MR at a certain level of just routing would be fine because the stem rot issue doesn’t seem to happen until you transplant or they get a little bit more developed and get roots and need to be transplanted but prior to that the misting and the fogging. I think seems to do them good but that’s where, you know, it gets a little bit tricky because a lot of people are doing their clones in the same room as moms and even the nursery stuff and so, you know, compromise environment compromises another one, are you just read in st th water ionized water or are you using hypochlorous acid treatments or does it matter. Well, I would be using the hypochlorous acid if it was up to me in some of the places that I’ve been to. And to be honest they use sometimes use a 75 milliliters or some in the recipe of their water whatever it is, so some people do a nutritional fog or spray or try to, and others are just trying to keep it hydrated, and I forget the name of the company I got to look it up, Some leaf wetly for. Well, I forget but it’s this cool little system where it’s almost like a little, I don’t even know how to explain it. It’s like a little box that sits on the ground and it has a little arm or a little paddle that sticks out of it, it’s not very big, it’s almost like, I don’t know how to explain it, I’ll find it and by next Friday I’ll be able to explain the name of the company and PTR some shit like that but basically the mist. The little arm that comes out of this box has a little sponge on it or a little pad, basically. And so as it gets moist. It’s heavy, and it drops down, and as it’s down. It doesn’t let the water turn on. It basically turns it off and as it dries out this thing starts to slowly rise, and as it dries out enough it reaches to the, you know, top of the box, and then it kicks on the water and as the water is turned on and re moistens that little pad, that little pad gets wet during the cycle, it drops back down because of the weight in terms of back off again so it’s not even really that sophisticated of anything but it’s an amazing little cloning system and situation that I found in Santa Barbara one time and a lot of the other farms, I go to don’t want to do anything, overhead and all regardless of the reverser. They just,
Chase 42:27
I don’t know. Is anyone using or offering micropropagation or tissue culture services for preservation purposes? You know I’m on the West Coast now.
Eric Brandstad 42:41
I think they’ll all take money and preserve shit I mean, I believe so.
Dale Sky Jones 42:59
Hey there, alright, that got quiet, so I’m not sure if it was me. But I do want to thank Susie for being so patient while we went off on that tangent, Susie, your turn.
43:31
Especially yourself. Some other labs and seeing your score sunset Botanica for biotech to that service for you as well. Dr Baaghi. As I started what was the last one, biotech. Oh, a-typical like atypical medicine. And then, biotech, Biotek can think the southeast corner, oh yeah the charging services, by chance. Oh do, how much are they charging, that’s very, that’s highly variable, I think,
44:27
Dark Heart also offers a lot, a lot of these labs for Oxford thinking services, but it really depends. Some of them will require like a year-long contracts, and I know that Dark Heart curtains are offering for people, certain counties affected by the fires. The first couple months of free. There’s there you’ll have to talk with them but it’ll definitely depend.
Dale Sky Jones 45:04
Hey all, I popped in. On my alternate identity, because my other one seems to be frozen. Thank you, Sara, go ahead.
Sara Frank 45:14
I was just gonna say look, Sun had taken himself off of Mike but it sounds like he is complete for the night, and so I just wanted to welcome another speaker onto the stage of that a question but I was kind of multitasking forgive me and I didn’t know what was next to mine, but I wanted to just kind of remind the room “Cheers”, Susie has been very patient. Hi Susie. Welcome to Plan talk with Oaksterdam University experts, we’re so excited to hear from you, Susie. I’m gonna let you take over the mic.
Susie 45:45
Hi, thank you so much you guys, oh my goodness, it’s so good to hear your voices again. I missed your voice. After graduation, so thanks for this room. So I actually had a couple of questions for you guys, I, my growing organic farm scene. And I have four plants. They’re outdoor and basement flowering for, I think this is the second or third week now and the leaves were turning yellow. And I was only watering them I wasn’t doing any nutrients, and I went and picked up some organic nutrient solutions and if you PTR, I actually updated my photo to the one I bought the store near me recommended these. And on the back and that’s not the picture of what I got on what I feed it every week for the rest of the grow. So I guess my question is right now, it’s about three and a half feet tall. And I just want to know how much it grows even more if it’s already. Already, because this is my first time growing and I figured it would go up to like five or six weeks, but now I’m wondering if it’s actually going to stop growing, because I’m confused I remember mine broke quite a bit, but it’s been roughly the same the last two, three weeks. Have to others. What size container you grown in. It’s in a 10 gallon.
Eric Brandstad 47:42
Yeah, I mean, it depends on the variety I mean some stretch and some don’t through the flowering process. You know, you know, that’s kind of going to be remained to be seen at the moment. A lot of times they don’t stretch considerably. You know that I’m not a big hemp bridle so I haven’t grown a lot I mean myself so I can’t say but I do know that, you know the yellowing is a deficiency and it is good that he got something and you can follow I’m sure the instructions on the box and see if that gives you some results. And, yeah, just start there and tell us how it goes. Next Friday if you see some improvement. A lot of times the lower yellow leaves, you know, definitely are a deficiency rather than like a sickness. So you probably don’t have to worry about any kind of disease or anything at this point you just need to give them some food.
Susie 48:35
Yeah, I noticed that it wasn’t just the lower ones though because some of the big fan leaves were turning yellow and like the really big ones and I’m like alright this is getting really serious so I went got food. So that’s what we find. Yeah.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 48:51
And, good to have you on tonight, And have you fed them in the past prior to buying this food besides you need amendments that you might have added to the soil.
Susie 49:00
The only one, the only time I said it. Anything else was in the beginning, during the class actually was when I did the I think it’s doctor, Earth. I haven’t done it in a while I only did that one time. Within like the first three, four weeks that was the only time it was the, the dry, it was the powder that I mixed
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 49:24
into the soil to I wouldn’t agree with Eric I would experiment with the dosages on these particular variety is pretty consistent. I’ve seen this around for a while, parent companies now Scotts Miracle-Gro, but I used to know the owner. The owner of General Hydroponics Warrensburg. The recipe is pretty good, it’s fairly organic although it can’t be called truly organic under fruit standards, actually listed on the bottle that way. But I liked their general product base. Alpha like their kalmak, it has fermented cane sugar in it and plants respond to it really well. So if you have that I would also encourage you use. I’d like to start out with half a dose, which is what they recommend never overdoing it and always underdoing it, but if you feel your plants are a little bit undernourished. I would go ahead and use the standard dosage, and then repeat it again on the next major watering difference.
Susie 50:23
Okay great so yeah so I did the first one last Sunday I’ll do it again. This coming Sunday because it just gives a once a week schedule so I’ll do it, I’ll follow that schedule. And I think,
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 50:36
I think that would be fine. On Your Side question I would only get you back to the thought of when you started to see flowers, and that little bit of a jump before that, what size they normally don’t get more than one times five, meaning they double their size, or up to three times. So if it was a foot when it started to show flowers, it likely will get to about two, maybe two and a half feet. If it was closer to two feet, it’ll get closer to four. And if it’s Equitorial because some of your plants are leaning into the high CBD and playing around potentially with some lines, you’re likely to see some that elongate and get closer to three times their size, and I kind of thought about that whenever seeing you in class show planetary work flowering in your location, upper, you know, New England, and we have folks in LA that were showing flowers. I felt that you had Equitorial line on your hand was going to flower late, and then all the other plants around you will be brown by the time your plant is ready to completely harvest. Yeah, it’s under three.
Susie 51:47
And now it’s just on us for perhaps about three weeks and for our families.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 51:57
You’re pretty close to the flower lessons in Equitorial plant, and you’re still seeing a very elongating stock that’s happening. And then you’re seeing one that’s going to flower into October, potentially, And those are the plants that most northern California growers choose to only pick a couple of because they can’t wait that long into the rainy season to risk it getting moldy down here.
Susie 52:22
Yeah, okay. And I actually just PTR to one more time to show you what it looks like right now it is nighttime here. But if you want to see what that looks like. This is a picture of the high CBG
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 52:35
It’s super healthy looking wait a minute what state are you in?
Susie 52:39
Massachusetts, Boston,
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 52:41
And you survive all the wind whipping that happened no problems.
Susie 52:45
Yeah, it was insane like we have stores, like, really really strong hurricane storms winds, rain, and it just, it survived. I think I did get maybe a little bit more yellow leaves, maybe it just really got washed out,
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 53:02
but definitely heard of. On some of that might be distress fatigue of being shaken stirred, if it was outdoors and you didn’t move it into a shed, I feel happy that you got to survive. There’s people that perished in that storm that were closer to the real Epicenter so having plants that were fruitful survive. I feel is also good. So, whatever you did there you were successful.
Susie 53:27
Yeah, awesome. So because this is my first time so is it normal that, that a lot of the leaves just fall off and it’ll just end up being flour in the end is that how it how it works you Pardon my ignorance like I’m actually preparing to go to Greece and in four days my nephew’s going to look after the plants, and instead of going and reviewing my course material I’m just in here asking you got so many properties,
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 53:56
I don’t see anything that’s not consistent with a good healthy plant they’re only the yellowing kind of lighter leaves or towards the middle of the canopy and the bottom of that upper top leaf they might be light color but I’m not seeing inconsistent problems, it doesn’t look like you have a bad bug problem, because you’re not being eaten or damaged, and overall the growth looks really good. If it’s kept consistent, meaning that your your takeover gardener knows what to do to keep the love going forward and not overwater it or do something that happens to get it into that bad state. The worst outcome is going to be trying to watch the rain that may come towards the coming months, because you’re going to get wet before maybe it’s finished it’s still seems very early in flowering time.
Susie 54:38
Yeah, I have given him directions with the weekly nutrient feeding, and because I’ve been using gallon water. I’ve just storebought water because of the pee fast still here I do about half a gallon per plant and I have four plants, I do have per plant. So two gallons every roughly every two days maybe every one and a half.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 55:03
But that’s up for one moment just to deep dive you’ve been putting like bottled water or storebought water that it’s been filtered right. Yes. So you’ve been giving it water and it’s been free of any calcium or any types of additives that would normally be found a tap water well water that might be used or irrigated water. Some of that’s helpful to the plant so I do believe you’re likely dealing with deficiencies given the plant, time and the amount of oil that you’re using. So, yeah, I would encourage you to make sure you’re using the right amount of nutrients towards the end on this one. That’s one of the problems with using what I consider to be our road or filtered water is that if you’re not mixing it in with other nutrients, or it’s really in a large race bed, it’s dead water, you wouldn’t normally see that irrigated anywhere in the natural fields. Any well water that’s used is going to have some levels of minerals from the words collected in the ground, and sometimes that’s negative, it’s very problematic it has too much boron or too many other chemical pollutants this Eric will talk about in greenhouse use or irrigated pollution, and you have to filter it just to get it back to arable reusable quality for the field. So, again, I encourage you to try to cut back on bottled water alone, cut into them to normal irrigated water, or even just getting a charcoal filter on a hose that you could use to help it.
Susie 56:29
Okay, yeah. Actually the bottled water I’ve been using is it makes a difference in spring water. It’s cold spring, that’s all I know. I don’t have the kangen or the, The other filtered water system to include in minerals, I don’t know what I’m giving you this don’t worry.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 56:47
I’m just doing this the backing off dies that when we talk about water, water that clean is usually water that’s been nutrient-enriched and hasn’t been contaminated with problems, bottled water is going to be extremely clean, so you’re not going to get contaminants, normally, but it may be too plain. Almost pharmaceutical level for what a planet wants, which is normally wouldn’t come in contact with it in the natural soil food web, the water that’s flowing over it’s going to have some levels of constituents that it’s arriving to is probably part of its food web.
Eric Brandstad 57:24
I was just gonna say, even if you don’t have a Kangen machine you can still filter your water and you don’t have to use our R/O, even if it’s spring water from a bottled water company or whatever they still have to R/O their water. In order to make it drinking safe or whatever and so it does strip it out. It does have, you know a lot of great sources and things like that. And so, if you PTR there is a coffee machine in the picture but there’s also a three-stage filter from a company called Frizz life, our F R I Z Z. And there’s also another company called Ion Faucet, these easily hook up to your sink in your home, and potentially could be able to use tap water. I’m not saying everybody can because you always got to know what you’re filtering out and stuff but I’m a big believer in filtering as much as possible before going full R/O (reverse osmosis) if possible. And so, you know, like Jeff said you could look into a just a basic carbon sediment filter like the hydrologic filters that they have a tall boy or something or a big boy or, like I said the ion faucet or this phrase LED on the picture, they’re not very big purchase for home use, but great for home garden as well. Because the R/O also when it comes to the Home Use has a lot of discharge known as we are in drought conditions in California. Every little drop counts so if we can filter rather than create a lot of discharge, you know at home even that’s what we’re looking to do as well but being out there in Massachusetts man I was there Monday and there’s no lack of water and no lack of green grass and what an amazing day I spent out there.
Susie 59:08
Yeah, my husband had two more lawn Weiss This past week, it’s a freakin carpet. It looks beautiful.
Eric Brandstad 59:16
Yeah, there’s not a blade of grass in the whole state, it was amazing.
Susie 59:22
Yeah, this beauty here. And I just wanted to, can I just give some Oaksterdam some really great credit here I was talking to someone, a friend of mine about, you know extraction and we’re kind of cultivars that we’re using for their CBD and whatever and he’s like, What do you mean by cultivar. and I said well, the variety of the plant is like you mean the strain and I’m like, No, not the strain, and I’m just like, I just felt so proud, and shout out to Oaksterdam, and so much about you know the Cannabis education space, I just, I absolutely love it. And thank you to all of you for all of that I can’t wait to take the extraction class next because I want to start playing with that and see what I can develop from all of these flowers I’m going to get in October when I come back. So thank you guys, and it’s always great to hear from you. Where can I ask you a favor? Can you text me, or backchannel or Instagram message those names that you gave, I just don’t have anything to write with right now. Yeah, sure. No problem. Thanks so much,
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 1:00:30
Susie, I also wanted to let you know as a commercial operator, the first thing that I do whenever I move or go into a new area called the city or the water treatment center to be able to figure out if they’re using chlorine or chloramine. If they’re using chlorine that has formed in it. Once you add air to it, you know, it basically has another bond in that chain, and that’s when we started using filtration methods, but I highly recommend that, regardless of your home cultivator or a professional that you always know the condition of your water have a water test have a soil test so that way you know what you’re working with, from the very getgo, and then you can make those changes after you have figured out what your bases are. Yeah, that’s great, great guidance
Susie 1:01:25
Thank you Chase, I, I started to look into it again I’m just waiting I’m waiting now further results of Town sent all the residents are letter because of ultra high levels of (??) pee fast we have no water so they’re going to send us a big update. In October, when they’re back to normal. Now they’re going to filter it in a month. So thank you
Sara Frank 1:01:49
so exciting Susie. We follow each other so I’ll make sure to ping you into the room so we can update next week. Thank you, Kelly if you wanted to come up to the stage. Did you have a question for Oaksterdam University?
1:02:16
Yes. Hi, good evening everyone, thank you so much for allowing me to ask a question. And, oh, hello.
Nehemiah 1:02:27
Wow, to make sure that this was working because it seemed like I was raising my hand and I got passed over as usual. Oh,
Susie 1:02:33
I’m so sorry about that, Kelly, do you have time to make space for that sounds like he might be on a schedule and I’m so sorry if I stepped over us and thanks for calling me out on that.
Kelly 1:02:44
Oh sure.
Nehemiah 1:02:46
Chase, he says some about the Chloramid.
Dale Sky Jones 1:02:58
Nehemiah, I’m not sure if we lost your audio, but we caught at the first few words and then nothing.
Nehemiah 1:03:06
I said I had a question for Chase about the Chloramid (?) about what to do with it. Yeah, go ahead and ask your question. How do you get rid of it in the tap water or whenever you draw water from a tap.
Chase 1:03:17
That’s where you need to start looking at filtration methods. So, when it comes to R/O filters you have that membrane that’s in there so I recommend if you are in an area that has extremely dirty water that you have multiple methodologies to be able to filter that water out if you have extreme nasty water, to be able to preserve the life of that (??) usually it’s something as simple as using a charcoal filter as a pre-filter, and then moving into your R/O, but it’s really contingent upon what your quality of water is like to be able to begin with. Most of the time you can get away with just using a charcoal filter and not have any problems. It’s just usually when I’m in a commercial setting that you know I don’t have the luxury of being able to have variables that can throw off, you know, my standardization and trying to duplicate the exact same book, every single time because for me it’s all about consistency and not having tremendous variation between one run to the next.
Nehemiah 1:04:17
I appreciate it. You guys can carry on.
Dale Sky Jones 1:04:20
Thank you and Kelly, thank you so much for your patience you have the floor.
Sara Frank 1:04:23
sorry about that Nima, thank you, Chase, thanks for answering that to Kelly.
Kelly 1:04:30
Yes, hello again. So, I was challenged DaleDale by using to challenge the experts here, and so I have some notes. It’s from the start of the room. So, when resetting it please let me know if I’m too off topic on plant talk. It’s a very broad, probably one of the more broadly based questions I’ve posed in any of the rooms. And so to put it in context, and I am. I’m plant-touching me in a grown. And I am also a very very novice, wanting to start growing living in an apartment so I have a flip flop of knowledge, almost. Which is ironic. I hate to say COVID-19 and hop latent to start, but that is the, the topic that I would like to, to ask a question on the first question, you know what, if any correlations have been studied and or identified between the COVID-19 virus or any COVID viruses, and the hop latent virus right. And I do have a follow-up question as well. I would say with none to my knowledge. I’ve only been able to pull up a few scholarly articles, but that’s simply scholarly and so that would answer that question. Thank you for that. In terms of the being, in terms of commercialization and working, you know, in a grow. I looking at it from, we are all organisms. And how COVID-19 affects humans, whereas obviously, you know, the hop latency affects the plants. There’s close quarters, between you know, the plants, and also, you know, the people that I work with as well. And so my question would then to then go from that do, is there a way because I have no scientific background whatsoever disclaimer. But do you see any implications or could you foresee any implications, based upon the commercialization of Cannabis working environments with both the COVID, you know, in terms of employees and then in terms of hot latent with the plants. Do you see any implications in the future that we might not even be thinking about except for me posing this question? My name is Kelly and I’m complete Thank you
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 1:07:48
can only do so much. And having the detail about the vibrated in our discussion is partly I think what we’ve done, commercially with Cannabis it wasn’t really involved to their industry when we were a small cottage industry because we weren’t commercially trading. The material and clones became quite readily available after I started our dispensary in Oakland and started dispensing clothes to MediCal patients which showed how easy the model was. It was not something that was readily available in Holland or Europe it was all fee-based because of the limitations with legal gardening. I think it is something that we’re going to see as a legacy with it when you start trading genetic material you’re also feeding what exists within that. And I think the virus is latent and kind of comes in contact with some of the viruses that humans can curate that don’t show infections for some time, and then all of a sudden can kill you or more or less incapacitate your immune system, and I would liken it to why I came to California got involved with medical Cannabis mainly to do with the HIV community in the cancer community here in the Bay Area. And that HIV wasn’t really the thing that killed you, but it compromised your immune system and then you died from the common cold or from some flu that was contagious that was nearby you. And I think the virus is kind of similar to that, that it causes immunity risk that then dropped the plant backward and I think part of what we leave as a legacy is to try to create those standard procedures to put in place safe practices, as you see with big agriculture and, you know, big farm. And I feel that we want to be more humane and I think as much as possible more green than what we’ve seen his legacy from big tobacco and other parts of the big farm system.
Ali Muffinz 1:09:34
You know, there’s seems to be a consequence of scale that requires an additional level of care, and additional attention to detail in terms of cleanliness, we see this in every industry, that when we reach a certain scale. we have to adjust our protocols and practices. And this is an I also like the way you think about the human viruses because I think that’s also a consequence of just the number of individuals on this planet. At times over the patent in certain urban areas. And we see this with poultry. Having gone from a cottage industry, 70, to 80 years ago to an industrial sort of factory farming method. It has led to disease. And a lot of our human born viruses originate from our food as well so that’s a great thing to keep in mind when working at scale, always. And by the way. Yeah. Oh, go ahead, Kelly.
Kelly 1:10:44
And that just, I saw another page that I wrote notes on, and that was talking about extraction, and just talking about if I could maybe speak and ask, you know on that commercial scale and, you know, as you are scaling, you because of the number of people I mean in Missouri 5000 new jobs have been created. This year alone in the Cannabis industry. And we haven’t even, you know, had medical Marijuana available to us for a full fiscal, you know, for a full year. And so, 5000 people, you know, let’s just say that we’re in one grow I mean mutations alone in any virus. And so when you’re looking at it and taking it back to the extraction process. Yeah. Would a practice of harvesting lowers for the extraction on a plant that has not been tested? I do, then I believe someone spoke to, that’s actually possibly a benefit of compromised materials the of the biomass, with the oils. But do you see that as good business practice or ethical business practice or cleanliness business practice in terms of using the lowers of potentially compromised plants for extraction? Thank you.
Eric Brandstad 1:12:25
I think it depends on the compromising or what actually is the compromised, you know portion to this is it just heavy metals is it got powdery mildew that we can see on the plant is it you know contaminants that it’s testing really high for Eagle 20 or Bifenthrin or any of those other things that are on that list and so, you know, when it comes down to the business side of it you know what, and let’s be honest, there is drift and there are, you know contaminated water and other factors and so a lot of people with many contamination issues arise do want to point the finger at the farmer and so in defense of the farmer. It’s not always their fault for failures and contamination and things that happened and so when we do go down that road we are talking about a business and business options are to throw in the towel or to make something out of what’s left of whatever that is and so like Jeff was mentioning earlier, there are remediation techniques there are you know, ways to filter out certain levels of chemicals and things to bring him to safe allowable limits, and some might look at that as not a good and not a safe practice and not pure medicine because it started out as crap and it got turned into something that’s usable or whatever and that’s more, I think, you know, up to the consumer to debate that but, you know, from a business standpoint the services offered. And the legal limits have been set and so, you know in a lot of cases we’re looking at small farms right now that have been devastated by smoke and so, you know, there’s no amount of leaf blowing or Kangen water or whatever that can help some of the farms that have been, you know, severely affected by these fires and things like that so is extraction going to be, you know, a topic amongst some of the tables up north and throughout California. This year I think so and so what ends up happening is that the biomass is worth more money than just say trim because it actually has a higher THC content but when you talk about the VI roid in particular one of the devastating aspects of the viral load is the low THC and so while you might have, you know nice flowers to an extent, the THC can be incredibly low and so that isn’t an area where you’re left for extraction and you know I’m not a scientist and I don’t know how viruses work and extraction, but we know that they get killed environments through heat. And, you know these are extremely cold temperatures. So, you know, I don’t think the virus is being translated to a vape pen or anything like that but what I do know is that, you know it is a compromised situation and people do have to make business decisions.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 1:15:10
And, and I would just chime in, Eric, I would agree with you that when it got a fibroid or pathogen systemic to plant really severely fatigued and is not going to produce near the terpenes or the content of flavonoids or cannabinoid that would have healthy. And so every extractor that I’ve seen that place that it now is kind of nodded away because it’s not even worth running through the equipment because sometimes can be a third two thirds off of production runs still costing the same amount of time and staff to run that material that biomass. So, they’ve also had to get educated but for a home consumer that might be using it for other properties. I don’t want people to think because part of it might have been not well that it isn’t necessarily completely usable because if it’s got bacterium or fungus on it we know we can do to wash it from the depths and clean it up and commodify it correctly at the end by curating the moisture off quickly and getting it into a dry will dehydration state that slows down the curing, but if you don’t contain that getting it wet, it’s going to just make it more rancid quickly. So there’s an essence that I think a lot of consumers may never completely understand that it’s more parlaying into that microbrew or that fine wine that everybody kind of fits their wine differently, to know one-two bottles are ever going to taste the same. And I think we’re still learning and adapting and I’d like that we talk a lot about natural alternatives using predators thinking about washing the plants and water products versus heavy chemicals, although we do understand that big ag is here and we’re going to learn to try to push back on them but also adopt some of their bigger practices because the little farmer that needs to stay sustainable needs to look at how to be most efficient on their local level. Thank you so much for your feedback.
Dale Sky Jones 1:17:02
Thank you Kelly for bringing your questions, I loved how much you put into it. Yeah, way to try to stump the experts
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 1:17:10
also say that from Missouri, I love the fact that we’re gaining 5000 jobs that are Cannabis-related that we’re changing people’s careers that we’re re indoctrinating people into the philosophy that we’ve all come to know of Cannabis is a better alternative. And that Missouri is catching up with us. And that is just amazing. Not only to offer the rights to patient care but the potential. Now we’re going to adult use as they filed that those types of activities that are upcoming I think it’s, it’s great to see the maturity of this industry get to work at.
Kelly 1:17:44
I’m very excited to start my avid advocacy course, the free course that you all offer that I learned yesterday, and Missouri had its first room today and clubhouse is so the Midwest is definitely very appreciative of everything that the West Coast has led the way for all of us said to in everywhere in the world, it can’t forget you know Afghanistan and things like that but it’s very, it’s a great community with the wealth of knowledge and thank you all for being so humble and for offering your time for people such as myself who are here to learn and to engage with like-minded individuals. You guys are very well.
Dale Sky Jones 1:18:32
Right on, right on. That’s a, so I appreciate, like I said, trying to stump the experts and I’m curious if you feel like you stumped them, y’all feel stumped. Not so much.
Jeff Jones @plantalchemist 1:18:48
Well, I will admit that we didn’t have an answer about acne COVID or bioroid related to conditional research patients and that might be some up and coming stuff to prove out. I’m more hopeful that we try to prove out safe operating procedures in farms that make everybody feel comfortable about what you can do with material that I wouldn’t say is rancid is not of the highest quality is going to get off the form.
Dale Sky Jones 1:19:13
Yeah that’s a good point and I think that there’s a difference between, not knowing and the unknown, and we do need to push towards filling those gaps of the unknown because, you know, a lot of the research just got stopped back in the 1930s, just pause for a second and think about that, that research has been banned for the last nearly a century, on the Cannabis plant. And make no mistake, it’s still largely banned, it’s still not an easy thing, ask Sue Sisley trying to research PTSD with Cannabis so I love that you’re identifying what we still need to figure out. So right on, right on. I do want to also welcome DB Drummond to I’m sorry DB Bremond to the stage. But real quick. I do want to just acknowledge somebody that had their hand up Sam Hemingway down at the bottom. I saw your hand up for quite a while earlier I tried to bring you up, I’m not sure why, sometimes you can leave the room and then come back, and then that might work if you want to come up so I just want to acknowledge you. Before we went to DB.
1:20:30
Go ahead, DB, did I come up. Oh yeah my I’m gonna jump in real quick. I put my phone in my pocket earlier and I was walking in the driving and listening and driving. I had a question on the 2.5, pH, how long does it take for it to, like, what’s its, how long does it take for it to kick in and start do.
Eric Brandstad 1:21:00
I mean, it comes out of the machine smelling like bleach so it’s ready to go I mean I’ve had, I’ve got a five-gallon bucket I made two days ago and I sealed it and put it in a dark, cool space and it actually smells a little bit stronger. Today on the third day than it did. Upon making it, they will say to take the other water it’s made at the same time which is the 11.5 sodium hydroxide and actually let that sit for 24 hours to, to actually get gather a little strength and so depending on its exposure temperature and things like that will help decrease or increase its longevity and so typically it doesn’t last very long, but like I said I’ve got a five-gallon bucket that sealed really tight and it’s in a dark, cool pet space and so it hasn’t lost its charge yet.
1:21:56
Okay, okay, perfect, that’s, that’s my thought. That’s what I thought. I thought you could store it for a while. Okay, okay, that’s sweet. And then how fast, how fast is it like act on bacteria, you know, unbelief service let’s say I’m dunking clones, and they’re covered in pm, that happens. And how long does it take for it to like kick in action and like start doing the killing, on, on the surface?
Eric Brandstad 1:22:27
it should do it right away. I mean, we have university studies and different documents that have been done that show the effectiveness of bleach, rubbing alcohol, and hypochlorous acid.
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